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We have @EUCommission [rightfully!] crack down on #cars and their #emissions by demanding ever lower #FleetEmissions and #FuelConsumption numbers but still accept #Bloatware like shitty #WebApps and #Windows11 to demand so much #WastefulComputing that it's painful.

  • Margaret Hammond and Grace Hopper must be rotating in their graves, pointing out how they got people on the moon with less storage than the SPD-ROM on a RAM stick and how their programming language still runs #TradFinance like a clockwork respectably, but somehow sending text messages is too much for a machine that costs €499 yet has more computational power than all the machines they worked on combined.

#WastefulComputing like all those phat & enshittified messengers should be illegal.

  • Espechally since they have 0 reason to be that resource intensive, even if we believe some of their security-focussed marketing lies.
Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)For those who don't know the [size of the problem]( https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114862595629371002): In 2006 I bought a new [entry level] Computer with 256 MB of RAM and a single-core P4 Celeron with 2,8 GHz. - This thing ran #WindowsXP and #NeedForSpeedMostWanted just fine. - Nowadays it would crash trying to open #Slack even on a minimalist #Linux distro like @bunsenlabs@linuxrocks.online in @dillo@fosstodon.org, a lightweight browser ... And now imagine that some folks have to use #Slack, #MicrosoftTeams, #Telegram, #Signal, #WhatApp, #WeChat, #QQ and #LineMessenger *at the same time on their machine*, and you can imagine that this will make entry-level desktops already scream harder than if someone were to loop the *Lost Coast benchmark* on them... - The #bloat of modern #WebApps is just the *socially accepted equivalent* to #Cryptojacking desktops and driving some [*phat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humvee) #SuperUselessVehicle just to get less than a kg of groceries at a walking distance supermarket. Everywhere else we'd not accept such a #bloatware IRL. - So why should we accept #obscene|ly #WastefulComputing*?
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For those who don't know the size of the problem:

In 2006 I bought a new [entry level] Computer with 256 MB of RAM and a single-core P4 Celeron with 2,8 GHz.

And now imagine that some folks have to use #Slack, #MicrosoftTeams, #Telegram, #Signal, #WhatApp, #WeChat, #QQ and #LineMessenger at the same time on their machine, and you can imagine that this will make entry-level desktops already scream harder than if someone were to loop the Lost Coast benchmark on them...

Everywhere else we'd not accept such a #bloatware IRL.

Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)One thing that really pisses me off personally is the #regression in terms of #Messenger #Apps. My personal distaste and dislike for #proprietary, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider #services like #Signal [¹](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114234551915193036), #Telegram, #Discord [²](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114865723904157014), #WhatsApp [³](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114873895410403238), #Slack, #MicrosoftTeams, etc. aside: - *WHY* is there no #CrossProvider #Messenger to handle that shite? - *WHY* does everyone of these shitty providers think people want to download their #bloated #WebApp that takes up triple digit Megabytes if not entire Gigabytes and will gobble up all the #RAM and #CPU they can?? This problem ain't new and *already got [solved for corporate social media](https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114862619013462466) ages ago!* (Not to mention actually good messengers!) - And no, [bridges](https://toots.ch/@dalai/114862754556459439) *[don't](https://swecyb.com/@troed/114862774972645542) count*! - I mean `API 0` - [style](https://digipres.club/@foone/112685423773959519) access because obviously [none of the platforms](https://digipres.club/@foone/112685414638522984) will *allow, endorse or support such an endeavour* and [*actively fight the developers and users*](https://digipres.club/@foone/112685441496803574) ! So yeah, consider this a call for a @gajim@fosstodon.org / #Gajim or @pidgin@fosstodon.org / #Pidgin *for garbage platforms!* - Cuz back in the day we had *way worse messengers* yet people actually made #AIM, #ICQ, #MSN, #QQ, #IRC & #XMPP work just fine from one single *"phat" client*! - Can we please get that back? #api0 #Enshittification
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@tante "#AI" is such a level of "#WastefulComputing" that it makes #CryptocurrencyMining look like an act of #EnergyConservation and #EnvoirmentalProtection by comparison.

Not that it doesn't make #Shitcoin-#Mining any less unethical and wrong!

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@tante exactly that is the problem.

Cuz those servers ain't like an electric water kettle where one could just put a wattmeter in between and know how many watts they consumed.

  • Espechally since datacenters are engineered to run at peak efficiency = target load, so not using all 10-50+ kW(th) per 42U in cooling capacity may even be less energy efficient.

Instead we should just not do this #WastefulComputing to begin with, cuz it makes way less sense than mining shitcoins on surplus hardware to heat one's home...

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@voxel like all #PoW #Cryptocurrency, #Monero too does #WastefulComputing.

  • Unlike many others it automatically adapts #Difficulty based off total #hashrate as it enshures a constant block reward of 0,6 XMR + Tx Fees per block at a constant block time of 2mins per block.

That being said Monero was explicitly designed to not be #ASIC-able in a cost-efficient manner and be #GPU-unfriendly, so it's more #decentralized and doesn't cause harm by demanding custom hardware that can't be repurposed that causes 100% avoidable #eWaste!

  • IOW: I's the 'least worst' option given it's PoW doesn't incentive or reward capital holders (beyond the ability to host and have power to mine)…
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@LillyHerself In fact, #AI systems are being caught left and right trying to #viralize their shit, breaking out of systems, and copy themselves like a #worm to the point that they are more "#viral" than the #AGPLv3"* and certainly more than the #GPL as per #Microsoft's #HalloweenDocuments.

  • At best all those "AI" tools are just #WastefulComputing that shits out #AIslop that is worse than the most demotivated & unpaid intern can come up or they literally want to break out of their "#containment" as if they were sentient (which they ain't - at least almost all are)!
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@Salvo @th yeah, and unlike those #AI has no "legitimate use-case" to justify it's excess, #WastefulComputing.

  • Asbestos is the only super-high-temperature insulation material. You basically can't melt tungsten in commercial scale without it.

  • Lead has legitimate use cases. Tetraetyllead was merely used because Ethanol could not be patented.

  • Radium has rare edge-cases that make it vakuable.

  • Medical-grade, clean and uncut heroin (i.e. Diamorphin) is quite safe and works well if dosed as per safety sheet prescribed. Like all drugs it's main dangerousness is caused by criminalization and thus lack of safe access to clean drugs.