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@rchusid@med-mastodon.comThe scientific evidence has quite strongly shown that zoonotic spread from a wet market is the most likely cause of the pandemic, with lab leak far less likely. For those who don't want to wade through all the literature, TWIV has an excellent podcast reviewing this. It was done shortly before the intelligence report was released which further shows how weak the evidence for lab leak has been.
@rchusid
I just reached a conclusion about the covid origin myths…. Why bother. By arguing about the myths, it keeps us from other much bigger problems. It’s precisely fuzzy. We can all agree precisely that it came from China in or near Wu Han in one of 2 locations. It’s not there now, it’s out in the wild.
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@ipd It is important to understand the ecological factors which led to the spread from the wet market in order to reduce the risk of future pandemics. Climate change makes such events even more likely in the future.
@rchusid
The risk is the risk. The earth is changing. Doh. Thats s given. Viri evolve, given. People and animals, hell, even wind will move viri around the planet, given. Seems like the way forward is surveil and mitigate. Those are political problems and business problems. /3
If it was a lab leak, it’s not going to happen again there any time soon, because it was bad publicity and the vulnerability has probably been fixed. Because the publicity sucked.
If it was the market, same thing.
It’s called bike-shedding. Arguing over the trivial, to avoid paying attention to much bigger problems.
I think we need to move along, now.
@ipd Not necessarily true. Due to climate change even more needs to be done to reduce the risk of further pandemics. While this pandemic was probably not due to lab leak, it is also important to study precautions to make determine if more needs to be done. We can't just move on without dealing with these matters.
@rchusid
Noone is ever going to move on because of the market/lab red herring conundrum.
See: bike-shedding.
Build out sensor nets.
Preplan for rapid research.
Build out facilities before the next big one.
Finish up the efficability of vaccines research.
Distribute mitigation materials around the world evenly. For a start. But, those things are gonna cost money, without an immediate return. Businesses arent gonna go for that.
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@rchusid
Wait, does your income depend on this research?
@ipd Not at all. I'm just looking at the facts.
@rchusid
well I never know about biases, so I'm prone to asking.
@rchusid
lab/ market was a single event at a single time. In stats, that’s not a trend. Its also not reproducible. We cant move on, because we’re tied up arguing about irrelevant things.
@ipd Not really. There were multiple early infections which all cluster around the wet market, not the lab, so there is a distinct trend.
@rchusid
And that cluster still persists today? Isn't it old news?
So, i received a beautiful book as a gift from a professor, in who'se lab I worked. The book was about protura, little bugs no one ever talks about. The forward, said it was the product of 40 years of study. Imagine that 40 years of study. in a single book.
When I opened it up to read it was all about how do determne the species of protura from counting the number of hairs on it's butt. .. in a microscope.. day in and day out 40 years. 12, 14, and 16 hairs, each. To him, it was a study of love, to me it was a study in a wasted life.
gloriously illustrated by the way, but hopelessly irrelevant. It was however a lesson in irrelevance.
When I see a topic that is irrelevant to the situation now, and it's being pummeled to death, I think protura. Then I may loose my shit like I did with you about wuhan... It's a perspective adjustment. . /1
@rchusid
To be fair, I live in the most worst air place that was in the news a few days ago and I was a little grumpy.
Ok, So, clusters.. more in the market than near the lab. What are they doing with that information?
I think they should make little virus plaques or statues to remind us that viral lives matter. Like the monument in the middle of Hiroshima's ground zero. THen....
Figure out how to include nano silver in the plastic of ventilators so that illed the victims because of pneumonia. for a suggestion.