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Dr. Lucky Tran :verified:

Do not normalize children dying from measles. Measles was previously eliminated in the US, thanks to vaccines.

When children die from measles, it means that adults have catastrophically failed to protect them because they have rejected basic science.

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@caban4 @luckytran
Yeah, from my experience the education system could stand to place more emphasis on why science is important to everyone. You don't need to become a scientist in order to know enough that will help you in everyday life.

@murdoc @luckytran Absolutely. And it's meaningful and fun to learn if presented correctly!

@caban4 @luckytran
Yeah, some teachers can make science seem like the best thing in the world. Others can make it feel like torture, even to science fans.

@murdoc @luckytran True. You get a teacher who loves science, and most of the time, you're set.

@luckytran Yes, such parents are selfish and care little for the future of their kids. Imagine if they got polio or tetanus or TB?

@luckytran and additionally *we* as a culture haven't made it astronomically difficult to choose to not vax.

I'm in favor of forced vax (*medical* exceptions only)

But I'm willing to compromise and have food delivered to their full family house arrest until such times as they reconsider.

@luckytran So, too, have 'officials' advising parents to Not have their kids vaccinated.

@luckytran

Isn't that the crux of all nations whose population is overly religious, generally poorly educated, with no access to objective news and fed on a diet of self-aggrandising television and film?
In other places you'd call it propaganda, repression, subjugation. In the USA it's called freedom.
You cannot be more brain washedin my mind.

@luckytran oh woe and wow, this is so much, like oh! The 70's parents. Let me do whatever the hell I want and go.

@luckytran My son goes to George Mason University in Fairfax Virginia. They recently notified 400 people that they had been in the same room as an active case of Tuberculosis! It’s so rare that–as far as I can tell–Virginia doesn’t routinely vaccinate against it. And now here’s an active case in a modern, populous suburb. It’s madness.

@luckytran "When children die from measles, adults have catastrophically failed to protect them" Try to understand the reasons:

Orthodox religeous parents see vaccinatian as a lack of trust in God. They are mistaken in 2 ways: 1)God gave us smart doctors with vaccines to protect us, and 2)while the parents say "we trust in God" it's the children who pay the price for this trust.

The most sorry cases are when parents just believed Robert Kennedy or internethoaxes and now their child is dead.

@zvhxxl @luckytran "oh god why didn't you save me?" "Damn it man, I sent you 3 boats"

@zvhxxl @luckytran@med-mastodon.com they're identical. misinformation kills children. there is no hair to split, just cold blooded murder.

@luckytran That's when parents are becoming guilty of criminally negligently murdering their own children, selfishly focused on their own erroneous beliefs, denying them available medical help that could save their lives.

@luckytran I think that "failed to protect them" is even a euphemism. "Let them die" is more accurate, or perhaps even "killed them"?

@luckytran You've got to give a hand to those prolife christo-fascists. They really know how to injure and kill people!

@luckytran
We had to wait a year before my nieces could meet their cousin because my brother and sister-in-law are anti-vaxxers. It's frustrating as hell.

@luckytran
When a child dies from measles, it means that the errorists have won.

@luckytran That's a very generous way of saying "adults have murdered them"..

@luckytran We don't have to say someone who pulls a trigger on a loaded gun has "rejected basic science" not believing the physical laws involved are going to make it fire. We say they shot someone.

@dalias @luckytran murder implies malicious intent. words are important

edit: this is also not how you convince people they are wrong, for better or worse, you are only alienated and (in their mind) vindicating their choices.

@etsyy @dalias @luckytran Agree 💯%.

But to be fair, it’s extremely rare that anyone becomes convinced they were wrong. Especially so for people susceptible to conspiracy beliefs.

@marshray @dalias @luckytran of course, you gotta make them think it was their idea

@marshray @dalias @luckytran or better yet, not allow them to indulge their own misconceptions

@etsyy @dalias @luckytran If you would like to try your hand at that I would be happy to point you to some Discord servers where they are trying to figure out the shape of the Earth and its relative movement. The overlap with all forms of science denial in general is very high.

I think figuring out how to have these discussions is important, but I recognize I’m kinda weird that way.

@marshray @etsyy @luckytran Yeah I'm not trying to convince the antivaxxers they're wrong.

I'm trying to convince reasonable people that we should treat antivaxxers as murderers.

@etsyy @marshray @luckytran I guess we have differing opinions/values here.

@dalias @marshray @luckytran from a legal perspective, negligence and manslaughter, sure. consequences for their actions, of course. but using murder minimizes actual murder.

from a societal perspective, this is just an unhelpful and divisive attitude.

@etsyy @marshray @luckytran Accomplices to murder if you prefer.

But there absolutely is malice and intent to cause death behind the movement, from the top and from the people funding it and installing antivaxxers in positions of power.

@dalias @marshray @luckytran perhaps, but that's a different conversation.

@dalias @marshray @luckytran we are talking about everyday people who have been led astray with misinformation and the exploitation of their proclivity to conspiracy and science denial. they are victims of their circumstances and to elites that benefit from these dangerous views.

if you want to move the goalpost to those who implemented these policies and encouraged these viewpoints, then I can absolutely agree in that regard.

@dalias @etsyy So since you seem to be ok expressing strong opinions, can I ask:
Do you think it was the right thing for government, scientists, and media to conspire to suppress consideration of the lab-leak hypothesis of origin of covid19?
(or reject the premise, something else, etc)

@marshray @etsyy Sounds like a loaded question supposing something that only kinda happened. The theory was bs and was intertwined with racist and nationalist conspiracy theories, but not so much was done to "suppress" it as just rejecting it.

@marshray @dalias @etsyy when you say "suppress", I feel like I should point out science dismissed that awhile ago due to factors. It was conspiracy theories that kept it going with Twitter, Facebook and podcasts.

@rolandelli Dr. Fauci insists that it’s “not inherently a conspiracy theory” and that he has always maintained that.

@marshray well, the DNA or strain evidence (I’m not a scientist, forget the term) came back impossible for that conclusion a while ago, but if you need that to be a possibility, I don’t know what to tell you.

@luckytran The US was a pioneer of eugenics. This pseudoscience was very popular and might be to this day. What if they actually have created the antivax movement as a futile attempt to eliminate the vulnerable

@luckytran This is fall of Authority. Irony of XXI century. With all knowledge, research, technology and fact check available at reach of hand, humans choose to watch 30-second videos from uneducated individuals that are for some reason famous.

@Maxfieldripken @luckytran that's why we need to write everything into YA books.

@Maxfieldripken @luckytran
I don't know about that, I think there are some very smart people who aren't on to the ways that media etc manipulate people..
I was lucky to have a module in English about biased language. We had to analyse tabloid articles and write our own, and that lesson stayed with me. None the less I'm also sometimes caught out about things I want to be true, and it must be so much worse for a lot of people.
At our work book club we're slowly getting through.. 1/?

@Maxfieldripken @luckytran
... Thinking fast and slow, and I have to tell you the human mind takes so*many* shortcuts, it's a miracle we can think at all. Methodical thinking tales more energy, so stressed and tired people question much less. Maybe that's why we're not already on 3 days weeks despite productivity climbing exponentially since the 50s.
And there's a whole science around persuading people of things, for money, power, whatever. I wouldn't be too hard on those people. 2/2

@econads @luckytran

Yeah, I'm hard on Reagan and all those who "like the uneducated." They build this culture.

@luckytran

Or the other way round: It IS „normal“ that 40% of children are dead by the age of five. We can prevent that and those who refuse are obviously desiring this normality. We should treat them like that: It’s not adequate to stay polite. They’re bad people promoting very bad things.

@luckytran Like I tell my offspring, I'm okay when things break by accident. But I lose my 💩, when it is due to stupidity!

@luckytran what if people are afraid of science because it hasn't solved the problem that causes budget deficits?

@luckytran
Normalizing measles is the same as starving your child because you claim to be unaware they needed food. Full stop.

@luckytran children are being killed using measles.