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@luckytran@med-mastodon.comThis year's summer COVID surge shows that (predictably) the change in the CDC's isolation guidelines is a disaster. Hearing about so many instances of people returning to work/school unmasked 24 hours after testing positive.
Most people are infectious with COVID for at least 10 days. 24 hours was never going to cut it. And while the CDC did try to mitigate this by adding that you should mask for a few days after returning, predictably no-one is even doing this.
We all warned the CDC that this is how loosening COVID isolation guidelines would play out. It's important for the CDC guidelines to be strong and science-based because when it comes to corporations, it's always a race to the bottom. Bad guidelines become worse in practice.
@luckytran I thought that the 5-day recommendation was a travesty! 24 hours? they're basically washing their hands of the whole thing!
@acm_redfox Hand washing seems to be the extent of "Public Health" these days, yes.
@acm_redfox @luckytran It's kind of you to assume they're at least washing their hands :-P
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Indeed. I wear a mask, 1 friend also still does. Even our doctors & their staffs don't. It's ridiculous. And we have not gotten Covid.
@luckytran The pharmacist was happy with someone who I know for wearing his mask when he went to pick up his Paxlovid, which would suggest that some people who are in the contagious phase of COVID are not wearing masks to the pharmacy to pick up their meds. 
@sepdroid That’s not even a tiny bit surprising. @luckytran
@sepdroid @luckytran Last week a fellow pharmacy customer actually thanked me for wearing a mask. Sadly, none of the pharmacy employees mask anymore. (I'm immunosuppressed, so I'll probably be masking for the rest of my life.)
In the Netherlands no one has been wearing a March 2022 since the mandates ended. No matter where you go, you will not see a mask (maybe the operating theater and in the dentist chair, are an exception).
In a pharmacy you certainly won't see a mask (I am always the only one).
People buy self-tests in the pharmacy without a mask. I would be surprised if pharmacies still sell masks. I get mine either in the hardware store or online, because that's where you find the better respirators.
Have had discussion today and medically stated that there is a window of 5 to 14 days
Where infectious contagion can still exsist depending on soul it has happened with
Then after can go in public only if masked for own protection should you FIND ANOTHER vareint than your own and make ANOTHER POSSIBLE VARIENT as it awaits to build .
@luckytran Would you happen to have numbers on how much the duration of infectiousness can be influenced by vaccination? I seem to recall that there’s a substantial difference—and so is this graph based on an unvaccinated sample?
@evannakita @luckytran Even if you have the difference in average between vaccinated and unvaccinated, that's a range of how long you're infectious, and then a range of how much the vaccination helped you on top of that.
Of course we make risk calculations based on averages, so it's helpful to know. But in the absence of that, I'll take the same precautions whether I'm recently vaccinated or not.
@clacke @luckytran Yes, of course! I’m just wondering how different those averages are, and I’m also wondering if that was controlled for in this graph.
@luckytran well if you mask that means you're sick right? and if you don't mask you're not sick! 
The Dutch CDC says that testing is no longer needed.
According to them, Covid can be treated like any other respiratory infection.
So what you get is people saying "why are you afraid of a cold?"
@luckytran is much known about rebound infections? I am slightly immune-compromised (I seem to have gotten covid at an outdoor event) and don't know if that's a factor - I tested negative for four days then got different symptoms and tested positive again