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@luckytran@med-mastodon.comWow. This email from a UK hospital instructs healthcare workers not to test for COVID because it might keep them out of work for longer. What happened to "do no harm"?
(Source: Prof. Stephen Griffin)
Not only will the poor guidance from hospitals to ignore COVID testing harm patients, it will harm healthcare workers at a time every hospital is desperately understaffed. Far better to allow HCWs to recover a few more days than lose many more from the profession entirely.
@luckytran Doesn't surprise me. When I go for hospital appointments (or even Covid vaccinations) I am invariably the only person wearing a mask (FFP3), too.
@umiamz @luckytran
Yup. I was the only shopper at Aldi masking up this morning. Don't care what magical thinking other people are engaging in. I will do what makes scientific sense n take every precaution I can n get my updated vaccines.
@Vanalope @luckytran
I came here to say this. Seriously.
#WTAF #NHS 
@luckytran what the hell? We know that you can be infectious with no symptoms.
@luckytran They read "1 in 5 UK doctors with long covid can no longer work" and said "those are rookie numbers!"
@dko @luckytran Then they should be glad to put on a mask. I can't imagine seeing patients in these little rooms that they see you in and being comfortable with that.
@luckytran I guess they'll be closing the radiology and pathology departments and relying on "feels" from now on too?
@thomasbeagle @luckytran i avoided health care via a hospital for as long as i could but with cancer, i cannot anymore. my experience has not been that bad so far and yet, i can tell you that there's such a huge disconnect between doctors & bean counters that, no matter how much doctors & their medical staff try to shield patients from administrative fuckery, it's really impossible since they are all just employees.
MBAs shouldn't be running hospitals. even less hedge-funds.
@luckytran As unsurprised as I am by this level of active malfeasance I remained impressed by how deeply committed people at every level are into imposing their denial onto everyone else. It'll be even more depressing when hospitals move completely away from germ theory to "vibes" only disease model
@luckytran ...we literally came back from a Dr's appt - when inquiring about new 'boosters' for Covid, nurses and staff were eager to handout 'flu' flyers (found among the other countless informative flyers of illnesses such as hepatitis, etc), but when pressed with a "...not flu, Covid", they all began to stutter, fumble the flyers and, ultimately, suggested to search on our own the local area for the Covid vax/boosters - a medical office!!!
@redwireless @luckytran
What
The
ACTUAL
FVCK 
This is what they wanted, though. They're going to pretend that Covid is no big deal until it kills them. Yes, they're harming others, but most of the others seem to be ok with it. Not saying I agree, just pointing out that we are far beyond the point of rational discourse.
@noyes @luckytran
"long past the point of rational discourse" sums up So Much right now 
I responded to this on Xhitter yesterday. Totally unacceptable and I said as much.
Completely miss staff with their own medical issues or with family and friends with comorbidities 
@luckytran sounds like the Swedish way...
@luckytran Shades of Trump admin complaining that the Covid case numbers were so high because people were reporting cases...and people were testing for Covid. Oy
Absolutely! The bar for what constitutes "decent" behavior is getting ever lower i'm afraid. If this is accepted as is, then the floodgates are open for worse things to come.
Sanity is in such short supply.
Seriously.
This "advice" not to test lest you then take appropriate precautions (among multiple other things)uuuujiuju is so dangerously, maliciously INSANE.
@DMRDynamics @luckytran The rules at Our House are:
1.) It's #COVID until you test 
negative. You will stay home. You must mask 
up in public where more than 2 people are present
2.) It's STILL #COVID until you test negative 5 days later n you have symptoms. You will stay home.
3.) It's not #COVID after 12 days n you test negative without 
symptoms. You will continue to mask up everywhere in public.
4.) It can still be #COVID so you will update your vaccine after 3 months n mask up
@DMRDynamics @luckytran that is so off the walls bonkers
@luckytran
What utter bs is this? Omg!
@luckytran Argh. This makes my blood boil. "Doctor, heal yourself. But make sure you do it at work."
@luckytran Do no harm...to the economy.
@luckytran Do no harm... unless it will cost us money.
@luckytran But workers would only be kept out of work for longer if they had Covid. This entire instruction is predicated on the idea that they Are Infected, but explicitly doesn't want to know to maintain plausible deniability. Probably for legal liability reasons?
@luckytran Well, do no harm to the bottom line.
@luckytran How did we end up in this timeline.
@luckytran is that the trust that had problems with midwivery recently, seems management haven't learnt that they are running a healthcare organisation. Having infective staff tending the sick isn't likely to reduce hospital stay length so will increase waiting lists, also staff not testing when infected increases risk of serious effects.... So staff become disabled. And don't forget cost of claims as both staff and patients can claim failure to provide safe environment under safety at work act!
@luckytran All who wrote and agreed that policy should be removed from healthcare provision and any form of management immediately.
And not let back.
@luckytran Tories are what Republicans wish they were. both groups need to be shot into the mouth of a volcano.
@luckytran unfortunately this seems like a case of them wanting to "do no harm (to our business productivity and ability to go to work)"
obviously that won't work out well for their employees and will absolutely cause some distrust with that IPC team
@luckytran
So worrying. It will result in patients catching covid. It's just not a 'health policy', it is encouraging the spread of disease. My cousin died of hospital acquired covid, this policy is madness.
@luckytran I was speechless today when I heard from a teacher who tested positive at the weekend that they went straight back to school yesterday. They are only expected to be off if their symptoms are very bad. And we wonder why it’s already going around schools like wildfire?
@luckytran I posted earlier today about how guidance for care homes is to specifically NOT test for covid even if symptoms are present, unless the person is extremely vulnerable. Also 2 or more positive asymptomatic cases are not an outbreak. AND it is only an outbreak if you can confirm that cases are linked, ie were transferred between residents of the home and not an outside source, regardless of how many positive cases.
So obviously they are skewing the numbers. Corrupt as hell!
I just do not see long-term viability of the human species.
@luckytran The healthcare advice in Ireland was Do not return to work until 48 hours after symptoms have resolved. They also said don’t test - maybe LFTs don’t pick up on every variant? - but the advice pertained to EVERY illness. I thought it pretty sensible actually.
@luckytran same advice is being told to teachers
@luckytran The price of 13 years of underfunding.
@luckytran I sincerely believe that the people pushing stuff like this are in a cult. It seems to be an article of faith now to deny that COVID is dangerous and fight hard against any attempts to control it or any other illness. I half expect them to start anti-handwashing policies.
@luckytran @echoraptor Uhh, yeah? The entire UK covid repsonse has been "Oh, it's just the flu". And as soon as able, government and managers declared it to no longer be a reason not to come in to work. Not sure what point you're trying to make other than "The UK is shit", which everyone living here is fully aware of (except for the die hard Brexit bellends).
@KrllGojira @luckytran @echoraptor The "Just a flu" crowd is indeed something. Like, even if it wasn't way worse, Flu is f*cking scary!
The love of money is the root of all evil.
HODL. You can't quit. We are short-staffed already. Won't one think of our bottom line?
#FBPE @luckytran I would be happier entering a healthcare setting if I knew that they only employed people who had never had covid.
@luckytran "do no harm (to our profits)"
@luckytran "do no harm... To our bottom line"
@luckytran first, so no harm to our bottom line. Then, sure cure people or whatever.
@luckytran That disappeared a long time ago from the NHS, it has bee replaced with 'Maximise profit for the private sector and take the tricky cases that the private sector does not want'.
IIRC, the instruction to not test medical staff for Covid came from cabinet.
@luckytran "do no health" replaced do no harm since 2020.
@luckytran 
Do hospitals understand there is a finite supply of healthcare workers? Many have already died, more will. How many will leave healthcare because their employers don’t value them.