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Hannu Ikonen, MD

Millenials having "little to no loyalty in the workplace" is a sign of *progress*, not concern, you fucking deliberately obtuse coercive capitalist fucks.

@hannu_ikonen@med-mastodon.com "I have no loyalty to this meat grinder you are trying to put me through"

@hannu_ikonen If I "remain loyal" to my company for 20 years I get a reserved parking spot. 😑

@hannu_ikonen
There’s no point in having “loyalty” to a corporation.

To the corporation and its executives, workers are just the scum that makes the wheels turn. They’ll cut your throat without regard if it increases their stock value or their bonuses. Employees are just an unavoidable encumbrance.

@hannu_ikonen

Note to CEOs. It's called 'an alternative to unions.'

They've made their own bed. One must understand, capitalism, in and of itself, is completely soulless. The things that give work soul are normally in direct conflict with capitalist profit, as measured by money.

@hannu_ikonen little to no loyalty to companies that will lay you off just to see a quarter over quarter gain and then hire back that headcount (using different people) when it turns out it was needed to get things done? That's just ungrateful.

@hannu_ikonen employers are not loyal to us. They will happily send you on your merry way for whatever reason. No matter how you do or what you do for them.

Been there. Three times.

@hannu_ikonen

As if companies have shown any loyalty at all to their workers for the last 50 years

@hannu_ikonen Treat your workplace like your workplace treats you: disposable and replaceable at a moments notice.

@hannu_ikonen I'm only loyal to people, and companies aren't people.

@hannu_ikonen @joepie91 with all the contractor roles, limited-time contracts and neverending waves of layoffs can you fucking blame them???? Regardless of whether it’s good or bad we have less loyalty it’s like you made us this way, corporate overlords

@hannu_ikonen So what you're saying is that if you're a boss, never trust your workers because you're guaranteed to be fucked over.

@gocu54 @hannu_ikonen Why would workers trust bosses who think nothing of firing them for the most petty of reasons, or even to inflate the stock price of the corporation? The other comments in this thread show why workers are no longer loyal to their employers, if they even were in the first place. It's the overall effect of management getting rid of people solely for profits and buying politicians who tilt the legal scales in the employers' favor.

This has happened to me at least twice.

@hannu_ikonen I can have personal loyalty to my boss. It's not out of the question.

If it's earned, and that trust is built.

This mostly would manifest as a heads up to them personally on quitting a couple days before official notice, and/ or just refraining from tossing a lit match over my shoulder as I walk out the door.

But it still has to be earned.

@hannu_ikonen
why would anyone be loyal to a place they don't even own lol

@hannu_ikonen

My partner worked in middle management in a large corporation, for all of his professional life. He learned by experience & observation that loyalty is a 1 way street. He was only there that long because of his skills & memory, the local company’s corporate memory. He always advised people to do what was best for them, not their employer.

@hannu_ikonen

Employees have no loyalty?

Wait until they learn how unloyal employers are.

@hannu_ikonen Personally, I'd consider it less an actual improvement and more the fallout of the instability they have to face.
Like, if you could reasonably expect your boss not to fire you on a whim, had decent advancement opportunities and didn't have to deal with some of the neurotypical/corpo bullshit, yeah, it would make sense to have some degree of loyalty.
But the job market is a hellscape. So why would they care about their employers if the employers don't care about them.

@hannu_ikonen job hopping aint new, like at all.

I'm also glad the youngs aren't putting up with it either

@hannu_ikonen
This is a very normal approach elsewhere in the world. If you can earn more somewhere else, you go there. 🙂

@hannu_ikonen When I reposted this, I wasn’t saying that people shouldn’t do their job to the best of their ability. Just know that a lot of employers will lay you off in a minute if they can profit from it. If you are happy with your job, give it the best you’ve got. If not, learn new skills and find other opportunities.

@hannu_ikonen Actually, most employers have little or no loyalty to it's workers and it's why I encourage young people to go into business for themselves if they can. I worked in health care for 30 years and there was no loyalty to workers, and there still is none.

@Scienceisnotopinions @hannu_ikonen

I remember at the start of the pandemic when hospitals had no PPE. Why no PPE? Because if suppliers give the hospitals credit, they run up tabs and never pay them. Says everything about the people that run hospitals.

@reinhilde
Yeah. The narrative was that they had shredded their relationships with the PPE sellers so thoroughly that the industry practice was to buy the PPE they needed for the week in cash. All kinds of red flags right there. Makes me wonder how frequently cash purchases are made by administration.

@hannu_ikonen @Scienceisnotopinions

@noyes @Scienceisnotopinions … investors 🤣

they really think they can solve everything

@reinhilde
Here's another that mentions a just-in-time pre-pandemic supply chain with many factories demanding payment in full before beginning production. It discusses the difficulties of securing credit in the PPE market, with risk focused sharply on distributors. If I remember correctly, there was a bankruptcy crisis--may still be--in the hospital system prior to the pandemic. Cash payments aren't mentioned directly, but are implied.

hklaw.com/en/insights/publicat
@Scienceisnotopinions

www.hklaw.comLegal Insights on the Import of PPE and Other Medical Supplies Vital to Fighting COVID-19 | Insights | Holland & Knight

@hannu_ikonen

Millennials got that right!

It occurs to this boomer that the FDOCCFs missed how many of us have *never* had loyalty to them. Loyalty, IMO, needs to go both ways. If it only goes up, it's *fealty*.

(I know those probably aren't necessarily congruent with the dictionary definitions of loyalty and fealty but, hey, maybe I'm not a full-fledged prescriptivist.)

@hannu_ikonen As a Gen X, I am rather free to tell Millennials and Zoomers about how often I have been fired for business reasons that have zero connection to my personal performance. Six, if you also include the constructive dismissals when they just stopped paying me by not authorizing any valid charge codes for the time sheets I had to fill out as a salaried exempt employee. The smarter ones get it.

Be mercenary as fuck. They bought this behavior.

@log @hannu_ikonen
My hubs works contract EXCLUSIVELY now. Mercenary as fuck. It's the ONLY way to go.

@log @hannu_ikonen The shock and horror some corporate drones show when you ask:
"And what are your guarantees of loyalty to me?"
or "How is this like a family?"

Corporates repeat words they don't understand and wouldn't like if they did.

@hannu_ikonen
It was a lot more reasonable to have "loyalty" when time-in-seat was earning your way to a guaranteed pension rather than a paltry company contribution match to the glorified gambling that is the 401(k).

@DopeGhoti @hannu_ikonen 401(k)s are a magical process wherein one person invests in the stock market but another person retains their shareholder voting privileges 🙂

@sidereal @DopeGhoti @hannu_ikonen
Is that a feature of 401Ks, mutual funds, or the fact that your 401K money is in mutual funds?

@DopeGhoti@infosec.exchange @hannu_ikonen@med-mastodon.com Not that most companies these days even last long enough to give you meaningful progress toward a pension.

@hannu_ikonen Sometimes I think Boomers just wanted to use satire to point out how much working 9-5 sucked, not actually try to break free from it at all. They seem so offended we want alternatives.

@hannu_ikonen imagine seeing a lack of loyalty among your employees and thinking the problem lies with them not you 🙄

@graveolens @hannu_ikonen I know, but honestly... this is super common. There are incredible amounts of unrecognized hubris entwined with privilege in so so so many situations.

@hannu_ikonen @jwilker “Why aren’t you loyal to the place that considers you disposable?”

@atomicbird @hannu_ikonen @jwilker Damn right. I had a boss who told all the staff she was looking forward to the day she could replace us with robots. Then she could program them to do exactly what she wanted and not have to deal with people that had their own ideas about how to do things. She sacked me eventually because I kept having opinions.

@hannu_ikonen I learned the hard way that loyalty to a job is not repaid in kind. Why bother with it?

@hannu_ikonen LOLOLOLOL just remembering my early jobs. loyalty?!? from the people who deploy "right to work" and "at-will employment" and anti-union training videos!! give me a GD break!!

@peachfiend “Donate to our pro-business PAC/lobbying arm!”
🪿: hey, what’s the other end of that axis? Pro-business as opposed to what motherfucker?
@hannu_ikonen

@hannu_ikonen @trendless
I mean, loyalty is a two-way street