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I can only conclude that the CDC is seeking to thin the herd and kill off immunocompromised & elderly and a large percentage of otherwise vulnerable people.
So, on brand for how CDC was depicted by AIDS advocates.
Always listen to the advocates/activists.
EDIT: This is not conspiracy. Its consequentialism. Will CDC policy materially disable and kill more people or not?
@hannu_ikonen Honestly you can learn so much about the current medical situation by going back and reading in detail about how GRID was handled. Then you can take a good look in how quietly that was pushed back and 'justified' in the years from 2010 or so till 2020.
It's a lot to really look into, and it's...awful. But the parallels are there, with the one exception was that it wasn't quite as popular to kill off grandparents as 'those damn queers'.
Ain't gonna lie, my tinfoil hat is crinkling. If somebody wanted to ease in slow-burn population control this type of mess could be one way to do it.
@hannu_ikonen@med-mastodon.com Trying to thin the herd by killing off the immunocompromised by spreading a disease which causes immune disorders seems kind of counter productive.
In both cases.
So it's probably accurate.
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My head hurts because of the steadfast irrationality of the CDC
@hannu_ikonen impact > intent
I don't know if that's what they're seeking to do. I also don't really care. It's what they _are_ doing, and that's what matters.
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I feel it’s always been about a ‘culling’ of the poor, immunocompromised, the elders who remember history, a genocide really of their children too, giving lifelong disability, comprising their ability to succeed. It’s about getting people ‘off the books’ to make and get out more profit before it all collapses which they are literally banking on. Preventing the ability to fight back against their authoritarian rule.
@hannu_ikonen Yep, I really think our current covid ideology is a result of the normalization of Malthusianism (“the earth is overpopulated”) throughout our society. Now a lot of the ruling class truly believes the earth generally, and the US locally, are overpopulated. It really feels like they want people to die.
@sidereal overpopulated with filthy middle classers.
Need more impoverished serfs and fewer Serf Lords.
@hannu_ikonen Yep. And as has been said by others more eloquently than me, the US government really seemed to totally give up on covid precautions once it was demonstrated that black people were dying at a higher rate than white people.
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) @sidereal @hannu_ikonen The politicization of public health measures to prevent the spread of #COVID began with #Trump and the #GOP. When the country was doing more working from home, the fossil fuel industry (and its billionaires) felt the loss of business while air pollution etc. lessened. $ seems to be driving the push away from protecting people and the environment. Dems got vaccines out to people, but the anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers are doing the bidding of the rich. Just saying. #MaskUp
@sidereal @hannu_ikonen Ehrlich's "The Population Bomb" (1968) has a lot to answer for: it predicted mass famine by the 1970s, completely missing Borlaug's green revolution and the phase 4 demographic transition. But it was immensely influential, spreading baseless fear and alarm in a way calculated to inspire elite panic.
@cstross @hannu_ikonen Getting so many people to focus on overpopulation instead of overconsumption (& overproduction) was a masterful move of class warfare.
@cstross @sidereal @hannu_ikonen And taught two generations since that having kids was a bad thing to want, and having fewer (or none) was virtuous, which is now causing reciprocal elite panic.
"The problem is you listened to us, and followed our advice."
@landley @cstross @sidereal @hannu_ikonen Elite panic? You mean Elon Musk?
@cstross @landley @sidereal @hannu_ikonen Thanks. Immigration has the marks, although it seems more like a manufactured panic on the part of a certain segment of the political elite.
@cstross @sidereal @hannu_ikonen I'm curious if you've noted the ongoing ecological crises (extinction events, microplastics, global heating, water shortages etc) and considered that maybe overpopulation has something to do with them.
@jhavok @sidereal @hannu_ikonen American, huh? Whenever I hear the word "overpopulation" there's a ghost-echo of "too many of THOSE people" in the background. Never too many of us white middle-class folks with two SUVs in the carport.
@cstross @sidereal @hannu_ikonen No denying that the affluent countries contribute a lot more to those problems than the non-affluent. I'd like them to have a standard of living as comfortable as ours. Affluent countries are showing lower birth rates, which is a good thing, and perhaps the same will happen as the non-affluent standards of living improve.
@cstross @sidereal @hannu_ikonen Let's not forget that Ehrlich advocated compulsory birth control, and for "those" countries even forced sterilisation.
I wonder how many there are people out there like this:
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Almost like the wealthy know resources are limited and they'd rather people suffer or die than give any of their luck-induced gains back.
@darthsandwich @sidereal @hannu_ikonen But the wealthy are taking on multiple infections as well. The money will only take them so far…
@sidereal @hannu_ikonen I'm not even sure if that applies, and not a more self-centered nihilistic detachment.
@sidereal @hannu_ikonen yeah basically also explains why they don't care about environmental stuff, if 4 billion people die then carbon emissions go down.
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The baby boomers grew up with population alarm everywhere. Then it kind of disappeared.
@sidereal @hannu_ikonen it's very funny to have this thought concurrently running alongside knowledge of long-termers/people anxious about falling birthrates.
Of course, the synthesis is that there's too much of the "wrong kind" of people (read: white). Too bad for them that the plague is rated E for Everyone 
The social darwinism or, as it's known more formally in sociology, structural violence, can be seen not as a way to reduce the general population, but a way to reduce the population that isn't valuable for growth of the economy (except the capital owners and rentiers, of course).
In the pre-industrial times, before fossil fuels provided energy slaves, human workers were the most valuable commodity. But, like with farm animal capital (live stock), the value of "human animal capital" is limited to a certain range of age and fitness. As George Carlin put it: "conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers". This is probably more relevant if you want to get how structural violence like allowing the COVID-19 pandemic works.
I think some of politicians at the top have even slipped and said the quiet part out loud regarding the deaths of pensioners and the impact of that on pension funds and healthcare finance. It works similarly for disabled people. I don't think most people are aware of how vulnerable people with disabilities are to COVID-19 infections.
In this management of human capital, ideally they want a high turnover of fit workers, and everyone else to die before they depress profits. This also gets into why they want women to have lots of children, and that's going to be making a comeback, along with child labor. That's the pronatalism of it, and Malthus was for that, not against that. Malthus, as an economist and Christian cleric, he was for this pronatalism. He promoted austerity for growth: "more for the rich, less for everyone else".
Here's a short article going into why Malthus was wrong without promoting capitalist techno-optimism: https://undisciplinedenvironments.org/2019/10/08/defending-limits-is-not-malthusian/
@hannu_ikonen Centers for Disease Circulation and Dissemination
Rolandelli @hannu_ikonen I lean towards it having to do with money and corporate interests. The death of immunocompromised like myself is mostly about money. It's pure evil, though.
@hannu_ikonen We're hoping that seeing again how dishonest the CDC is that maybe, maybe people might finally be receptive to hearing how misleading the CDC has been about opioids.
CDC’s Efforts to Quantify Prescription Opioid Overdose Deaths Fall Short
Quantifying the Epidemic of Prescription Opioid Overdose Deaths
When their failures, intended or not, are discovered in one area of their work, it all comes under suspicion.
I quit listening to the CDC when they removed the mask mandates.
I haven't looked back since.
Still masking in public and avoiding large gatherings.
@504DR @hannu_ikonen From an old blog post about how easy it was to get the Iraq war right at the time:
There is much made by people who long for the days of their fourth form debating society about the fallacy of "argumentum ad hominem". There is, as I have mentioned in the past, no fancy Latin term for the fallacy of "giving known liars the benefit of the doubt", but it is in my view a much greater source of avoidable error in the world.
We think about it a lot.
Thanks for that fun read back in time, remembering all the lying and hyperbole to get us into that war (and Afghanistan).
The biggest worldwide protests and marches to date, if I remember correctly, to not go to war. All in vain, ofc.
Yes, I lost friendships with many ppl I once respected over that.
No surprise the bush regime pushed this and did it; the number of non Republicans that went along with it is disgusting tho, even to this day.
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this episode goes into the fight to get women recognized as getting AIDS & how the CDC fought them & in the end AIDS activists had to concede to only a partial list of what they wanted & deserved
Same playbook. Same players. Same bullshit.
Nothing has changed since early 1990’s
Really great podcast but very sad
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I think it will hit a disproportionate number of children. My grandbaby is a month old, and I'm already thinking about how to avoid crowded classrooms and daycare.
I wanted to install Far-uvc lighting in my 5yo’s classroom, you know, the thing that Ashish Jha has hanging over his head when he smugly tells people the virus is no big deal.
I asked my Wife’s friend, and mother of my boy’s classmate, she’s a pediatrician, to endorse my plan.
She said “looks like we need more research”.
I’m going to continue doing everybody a solid and leave the house when she brings her boy over for a play date with mine.
@hannu_ikonen Yep it's a culling. CDC fully knows the effects of its policy. They don't care if you fall by the wayside. They calculated how many deaths per week they could get away with: "This would translate into a risk threshold of approximately 35 000 hospitalizations and 3000 deaths (<1 death/100 000 population) in the worst week." https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2787944
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I can’t speak for what’s going on at the CDC. But as a bureaucrat watching other bureaucrats, I suspect reality is inanely stupid and boring.
Case in point, today I was in a meeting with some local government bigwigs regarding finances. About a dozen of us were jammed into a bigwigs office which was about the size of an average living room.
We’re looking at years of funding issues, much of which are caused by Covid and associated issues at the hospitals.
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Likewise health insurance and life insurance are both skyrocketing. There’s no new funds in sight.
Everyone knows where the problems are coming from and you can make a giant stack of diplomas and degrees on the table from the attendees in the room and yet only two of us were wearing masks.
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it almost felt like I was in a cult meeting, where if we all think the right thoughts and say the right words everything will turn out OK. Just like it always happened in the past. And the bigwigs were sitting there without masks so they will suffer for their failures.
I don’t have any answers I don’t know what’s going on. Maybe there is a CDC conspiracy but since the conspiracy doesn’t seem to pay anybody, at the local level it’s just plain boneheadedness.
Groupthink, cult, corporatethink?
And yet I went to another warehouse style store last night - and they too are running their aircon at high air movement settings. (Can't tell if that is fresh air, filtered air or just Covid-infected air
.) The third chain of stores running like this that I've been to. Just maybe some companies are quietly doing #IAQ for their retail spaces. Wondering if their possible intelligent action extends into head office environment?
@skua @hannu_ikonen I suspect most of the positive actions we see are being made by individual managers who grasp what is really going on.
@hannu_ikonen But, don't they know that young people are being mamed from this virus too?
@hannu_ikonen Please, as a healthcare worker that was there spare the gratuitous swipes at the CDC. We live in a nation of selfish morons who aren’t bright enough to do basic things to protect themselves. The only people who have to isolate are the ones that take the test. Why does that make sense to you? At least those are the same people that will mask to protect others.
@hannu_ikonen it is depressing when your public health officials are foot soldiers in the local death cult.
@melanie @hannu_ikonen Hooray! Plutocracy works!
Just kidding. #EatTheRich
@hannu_ikonen Let's not forget, a majority of deaths were caused by covid denialists and their ideology, which was aggressively perpetrated and fomented by conservative media and money. Which is hilarious because they killed off a significant number of their own voters with their incomprehensible reactionary behavior. The CDC definitely is not innocent from what I can tell but we cant place all the blame on them. We behaved like children in the face of a pandemic and it's miraculous we made it.
@r00sty @hannu_ikonen oh, we are not even anywhere near the edge of the woods yet. Give it 20 years and we’ll see what the real damage will ultimately be. In June/July 2020 my mom asked how long this pandemic would last. I said around 3-5 years. This was based on information at that time & assuming responsible choices would be made by federal governments. I now estimate that this pandemic will last approximately 8-9 years & be the modern equivalent of the bubonic plague in societal toll.
@r00sty @hannu_ikonen Considering the current death rates and increased numbers of #COVID infected people, I wouldn't say "we made it". It's more like we're still surviving...at least many of us are. Disinformation kills. Vaccinations work to avoid hospitalization/death. Masks and air purification can help avoid infection. Stay safe everyone.